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East End of Monessen Passing Siding

 
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Longview Station



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 7: 10 pm    Post subject: East End of Monessen Passing Siding Reply with quote

Monessen passing siding in older timetables is reflected as a 2668 foot long
passing siding that sometime in the late 60's was changed to make it over
a mile in length. My question(s);

1) - From the old crossover just east of the station up to the East End, was
this trackage always there but not used as part of the passing siding?

2) - If so, was the trackage from the old crossover part of the P&WV / N&W
or was this MSW trackage?

3) - I know the current connection to the MSW off Monessen Siding was not
the original connection as the original connection was much further west
what year was Monessen Yard built? It seems as if a lot of steel mill
waste was dumped between the P&WV main and I-70, I almost have a
feeling that much of the yard was built as the MSW dumped slag to
support it ?
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jayrod



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 8: 01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were to guess, and don't take this to the bank, I think that the "extension" of the passing track utilized one of the ex-yard tracks. When that happened, I don't know. Everything was still in place in 1967 per Penn Pilot. The yard was built on fill east of the Rostraver Rd bridges with a connection to PWV on the east end and another connection to PWV west of the bridges which is now the current connection. Also of interest, the MSW track over the PWV from the yard to the slag dump were still in service in 1967. The PWV wye just west of the bridges was still in place in 1956 but was removed sometime between then and 1967.
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Longview Station



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 8: 31 pm    Post subject: Monessen Passing Siding Reply with quote

The MSW dump track that went up & across the P&WV west of the station was in use in the mid 1970's as I have a "so-so" photo of a MSW crew returning, light engine. I'm now wondering where the P&WV and MSW interchanged before Monessen Yard was built ? Was the east end of the siding used as interchange before the yard was built ? When was the MSW bridge over 201 built as that trackage went directly into Monessen Yard ? Or, was there the east end of the siding and perhaps just one yard track in use way back then ?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 5: 09 pm    Post subject: Wye at Monessen Reply with quote

The wye at Monessen remained in service until early 1970,when a derailment on the main track took out west leg of wye and west leg was never put back in service.The east leg remained in service for a while thereafter.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7: 05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per the 1956 areal view which is the sharpest old one, it looks like there were four yard tracks plus a run-around on the south side. The northern-most yard track is now the extended siding with the western switch to MSW just west of the bridge right where the dump track took off. I assume the current siding is also used as the interchange so that would negate that portion's use as a passing siding unless interchange is almost nil.

The wye was not there in 1938. However, it is there in 1956.

Interesting....
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WM Historian



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 3: 51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Following AFE's may provide the information that you desire at Monessen,Pa.

According to JZ they have large amount of AFE's. These may be among them.

(1) P 1125 Extension of Passing Track at Monessen (1941)

(2) P 1180 Proposed construction of Wye Track (1942)

(3) P 1210 Extension of Passing Track (Canceled) 6/15 (1943?)

(4) P2042 Acquisition of additional property for RofW purposes (1955)

(5) P2082 Extension of yard tracks No. 2 & 3 at east end of Monessen
Yard and construction of connection to MSW RY. (1955)

(6) P2299 Extension of Tail track - Wye - 100 feet


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PWVJer



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8: 52 pm    Post subject: Monessen & P&WV Track & ROW Reply with quote

Four(4) large 24" X 60" drawing/diagrams showing MSW and P&WV track & ROW....
P&WV RY. CO. Office of Chief Engineer April 5, 1949 and March 1, 1950.
Dave (WM Historian) has repaired/restored/returned, show the answers to
the many questions asked in below posts.

We can now better study & view/understand these drawings/diagrams that
show in detail the MSW railway ROW, P McK Railway branch,
(including the Victoria and Sommer's Mine ROW) and the P&WV Monessen interchange ROW.


BTW, Gene your guess/thoughts about the Monessen Yard may be correct.
All the P&WV and MSW bridge built dates show July 14, 1930 -to- Dec 29,
1932. Match the dates for private property bought by the MSW Railway.
Plans for a future inter-change yard location? That one day would be indeed developed.
Think ??? the major additional fill work may have started about 1938?

A complete " Schedule of Property " is included on map page one(1).
The amount of information in these four(4) maps/diagrams is rare
and interesting!
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PWVJer



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11: 13 am    Post subject: MSW Connection File 1934 Reply with quote

Hey GPS, ...found!!!
File ( 33-133-6-56 ) Office of P&WV Chief Engineer
Construction of MSW Ry. Connection Extension of Westerly End of passing track
and relocation of MSW Ry. Connection at Station 1002+72 East End.

Complete original AFR/AFE, P&WV notes & letters, and a fantastic
Map/Diagram/Drawing Jan. 1932 and Revised Jan 21, 1935.
Drawing show the new Inter-change yard. P&WV Main Line and
Passing track, and the switch locations East & West to access
the new MSW interchange. Only two(2) tracks at this time,
receiving & out-bound.
Interesting includes the first inter-change connection switch
(P&WV owned) with the MSW Ry. at p.s.988+184 #10. West of the
soon to be built Monessen Station & future MSW ROW dump spur bridge.

This complete file/reports ( Sept. 25, 1934 to Feb 15, 1935 ) is in near pristine condition !
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